More from KUOW Government Chief Deputy Jim Pugel: 'The Old System Doesn't Work' KUOW | By Marcie Sillman Published April 8, 2015 at 2:19 PM AKDT Twitter LinkedIn Email Listen • 5:54 Marcie Sillman talks with Jim Pugel, King County's chief deputy to the sheriff, about Seattle's Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion program and how it's changed his outlook for policing.